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Sujoy · Feb 05, 2007, 02:40 AM // 02:40

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Originally Posted by -.-

I think you meant the former.

thanks for the correction, I think (english is not my first language)

moriz · Feb 05, 2007, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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There are a lot of idiots playing this game.

A lot.

If I spent my time teaching them all, giving them things they refuse to work for themselves, trying my damndest to "be polite" to each and every one of them, I'd have long ago quit in sheer frustration.

Being nice isn't worth it. It doesn't get you anywhere.

^ QFT

rules of conduct when dealing with poor players:

1. flame the living daylights out of them.

if they: A) flame you back:

then: 2A: flame them some more before kicking them

if they: B) ask for help:

then do: 2B: help them. be blunt.

3: if they still suck after 2B, and makes no attempt to play better, then flame them again and kick.

if everyone do the above, then there will be no more wammos in RA. maybe.

(ps: sorry, but i've just had the privilege of grouping up with 5 wammos today. i deserve to vent a little bit.)

noir0 · Feb 05, 2007, 03:04 AM // 03:04

I'm sorry for not putting my very valid point into a long, descriptive critcal post zinger, but i don't see the need to. After all, someone with such a comprehension of such construcive points as your self, shouldn't need MY help on understanding it at all, right?

Sujoy · Feb 05, 2007, 03:17 AM // 03:17

you think by making yourself look stupid is stating your point?

bug_out · Feb 05, 2007, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by noir0

I'm sorry for not putting my very valid point into a long, descriptive critcal post zinger, but i don't see the need to. After all, someone with such a comprehension of such construcive points as your self, shouldn't need MY help on understanding it at all, right?

QFT

Couldn't have said it better myself.

ElinoraNeSangre · Feb 05, 2007, 03:24 AM // 03:24

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Originally Posted by Aran Deathslinger

[*]When possible, try to help make up for areas in which the team is lacking, rather than pointing out mistakes or weaknesses.

I think this actually boils down to less talk and more action!

There's nothing wrong with trying to be a good person and have some respect, guys. Yes, there's people who are asking to be told off or flamed. But there's also a lot of good players out there who just need some direction. I've seen some potentially great players beat down by some pretty arrogant people who aren't interested in why things are going wrong, just that it is.

I think giving away stuff should be done with some common sense - if someone is sitting around in Shing Jea yelling "please someone give me 2k!" or something like that, well, that's obvious. But if you have something you don't need, and it won't sell for much, there's no harm in saying "hey, would someone be able to use this?" Hell, impose some rules - no one over level 10. Or approach someone who looks lost; we see them all the time, the people going "I'm confused, WTF just happened?!?" after the Searing for instance (like myself, who suddenly went "whoa WTF?!?!?")

Sure, you might give it to a loser bum. But you might also give it to someone who really needed it.

What's more likely to make a player a better player? Someone screaming "YOU NOOB" at them, or saying, "Hey, here's a thought." And if you're nice to a person and give them some advice, and they tell you where to stick it, cut loose! Now they're just being a jerk.

Don't take crap, but don't dish it either.

Be firm, don't be a pushover, but don't be a jerk unless someone else starts it (and then all bets are off).

Overall these are reasonable things to keep in mind, semantics aside.

aeroclown · Feb 05, 2007, 03:25 AM // 03:25

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Moot point.

It's the freaking Internet!

Right now, I could be typing this completely nude while robbing a bank. But you don't know that. That's the beauty of the internet.

You don't know how a person is in real life, even when you talk to them through the internet.

I really hate to say it even if it has been said, but I am going to any way as its just entirely obvious. Its an attitude and a view like this that takes online communities from the highest high to being under a pile of crap. People use the internet's anonymity as an excuse to do what ever the heck they want to anyone they want. Its the exact reason why the things we frown on in everyday person to person activity runs ramped and rancid for that matter online. That is not a beauty of the internet. People in general that have this view tend to take this view with them everywhere they go online, not just in game it extends way outside of the game. We all eventually pay for it. I could go on and on with this for hours giving you examples of exactly why this is bad, but hey Google is your friend so why should I waste my time.

That is not to be a troll or point at anyone specific, its a problem in general. Google is your friend.

Zinger314 · Feb 05, 2007, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by aeroclown

I could go on and on with this for hours giving you examples of exactly why this is bad, but hey Google is your friend so why should I waste my time.

Quoting for irony.

Mournblade · Feb 05, 2007, 05:16 AM // 05:16

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Originally Posted by Sujoy

Zinger is one of the most helpful people out there, I got helped ingame so much thanks to Zinger. So don't say he's negative when he expresses his opinion, your being negative by putting someones constructive argument down with piss and vinegar.

Nobody is attacking Zingers character, so back off please. You're doing to me what you accuse me of doing to Zinger. I made a general comment about negativity being unconstructive.

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Originally Posted by Zinger

Let me pose a hypothetical question; In an end-game enviroment, where people expect to know their class well, who's worse: A Warrior who uses Frenzy and runs into mobs of enemies even after being told not to, or the person who yells in frustration at the Warrior to not do those things?

Neither are helping the group. Neither are acceptible to me. If you are truly a helpful player then you do what you can to improve the situation. Sure, there are some people who are out to be jerks and can't be helped. It still doesn't help things for you to create an even worse situation by wasting your time arguing with them.

rohara · Feb 05, 2007, 05:35 AM // 05:35

just because its the internet/a game doesn't mean people should throw all sense of humanity out the window.

i live by the same rule on the internet as i do in real life - be kind and thoughtful until the person makes it quite clear they're not worth it. i usually leave it at that, and maybe throw a couple tongue-in-cheek remarks their way at worst in the hopes that maybe you can fight fire with fire in some situations.

Whiplashr · Feb 05, 2007, 06:15 AM // 06:15

These are good rules to LIVE by, not just to play by. Sadly, they will be lost on people who are still haven't "grown up" fully. One day they will see the light, and see everyone who is like they used to be for what they truly are.

Avarre · Feb 05, 2007, 10:02 AM // 10:02

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

I would appreciate it if people disagree with me, they give reasons. And I'll gladly debate.

Believe it or not, not everyone wants Riverside threads to turn into essay-writing competitions. You don't need a wall of text to push a point if it's decisive.

For example, noir0's picture is perfectly placed.

This is a game, and the two points of a game are to win, and to have fun. Everything you do should be towards achieving one of these aims, otherwise why spend your time?

And if you can't laugh at yourself from time to time... it's not a question of incompetence, it's an issue of being good enough at what you do that you can play around and still achieve your aims.

Rodhin Kinning · Feb 05, 2007, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Believe it or not, not everyone wants Riverside threads to turn into essay-writing competitions. You don't need a wall of text to push a point if it's decisive.

For example, noir0's picture is perfectly placed.

This is a game, and the two points of a game are to win, and to have fun. Everything you do should be towards achieving one of these aims, otherwise why spend your time?

And if you can't laugh at yourself from time to time... it's not a question of incompetence, it's an issue of being good enough at what you do that you can play around and still achieve your aims.

Thanks Avarre.

And I do believe these guidlines should be used by any playerbase. You would be surprized on how much you might LIKE playing this game if that ever happened. And if not these guidlines then I would then offer the one I use and go by. Respect. Plain and simple.

Talon one · Feb 05, 2007, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Are you implying that elitism, arrogance, and thoughtlessness are the same? That's incredibly stereotypical.

what he means is that you should be kind and respectful not only to your peers but to anyone, especially those that dont 'deserve' it.

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True. But what can you do if they are disrespectful?

live and learn that kindness pwns rudeness?

Vinraith · Feb 05, 2007, 04:48 PM // 16:48

Basically you can either do all that or just not follow #5 and fill your party with heroes and henchmen when there aren't enough guildies and friends around, in which case the rest become completely irrelevant and the entire gaming experience becomes much more relaxing and fun. I know my choice.

Retribution X · Feb 05, 2007, 05:07 PM // 17:07

I agree with most of the "Rules" But there are a few people who think they know everything, like, Rank means everything in PvE.

Which is like Seperation of Church and state. PvE is state, PvP is the church. (Really! No BS!) PvP affects PvE, but PvE doesn't affect PvP.

#3 I'll give advice to newbies, and make tell people what to expect in the upcoming mission/area. I don't want my group to be crappy

I disagree with #6 I like laughing at The henchies.

With #7, If you tell them about the mistake, and KEEP DOING IT, FOrget it. I can tolerate a few, but if someone friggen KNOWS they're doing something wrong and keeps doing it, I'm not gonna overlook it

#8 Well, to a point. In a discussion, go for it. If you KNOW because of sufficent testing, devs stated, ETC, then Hold the fortress, If you arn't sure, Don't.

#9 In factions, If you want masters, RUSH LIKE HELL IS AFTER YOUR RUMP!

#10 to a point, if people are constantly begging, or are begging for gold, Don't help. I'll help newbies, I don't help Whiners, Beggars, Or losers.

A. Noid · Feb 05, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Aran Deathslinger

I wrote this for myself, and share it in the hopes that someone else may find it useful. Like all rules, these are best applied to oneself. I find they help me to enjoy the game more, and serve no greater or altruistic purpose.

Be kind, not just to the unskilled, or the inattentive, but even to the elitist, the arrogant, the thoughtless.

Be respectful. Don't disregard people.

Give advice rarely and gently.

When possible, try to help make up for areas in which the team is lacking, rather than pointing out mistakes or weaknesses.

Always bring people who need a mission or quest instead of heroes/henchmen.

Don't take yourself too seriously. It's more fun to laugh at yourself than at someone else.

Admit your mistakes openly, and be lenient with other people's mistakes.

Be humble, and resist the urge to defend yourself, or your point of view whenever possible. Whether you are right or wrong, people will appreciate your having been gracious about it.

Don't rush other players, or yourself.

Give things away. Items, gold, ecto (gasp!). Trust me, you'll be glad you did. Iirc I've had five or six Scareaters, and none mean as much to me as my first Kephet's Refuge, given to me at level 9 by a stranger I had quested with for a few hours.

Disclaimer: I'm not a good example of this or anything. I actually did write these rules for myself, and rarely if ever follow them all or perfectly. That said, if you see me in game saying “Aaaahhkh monk! No more echo healing breeze!” or “WHY WHY must you aggro those mursaat patrols again! We're not infused!” you have my permission to tell me to go read my own post . Now just 99 more positive things to do to balance my karmic debt for today...

I, for one, appreciate your message. Reminds me of what my grandmother taught me sooo many years ago. I would also suggest, to those who have stated that being kind will get you nowhere, that I believe you are missing out.
Yes, everyone gets burned and abused somedays. But there are moments where your acts of kindness will return a bounty of wealth. And not just the physical stuff=).

Peace,
A.Noid

narked · Feb 05, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Yeah, I appreciate this post too, good on you....

10) Give things away: Never forgot my 1st chaos axe, given to me on my 1st char over a year ago. A year later gave it away to a warrior in need after questing with them. I often give stuff away to people, but usually after questing with them, and have met some good people this way who I quest with regularly.I never give to people begging in towns

What goes around comes around.... Recently been given stuff in return, and received help from those who I once helped out ages back.....

Str0b0 · Feb 05, 2007, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Moot point.

It's the freaking Internet!

Right now, I could be typing this completely nude while robbing a bank. But you don't know that. That's the beauty of the internet.

You don't know how a person is in real life, even when you talk to them through the internet.

By your rationale if it is the internet then it doesn't matter. Logically then you shouldn't be here spewing forth venom in a thread that was obviously intended as a good natured attempt at community improvement. Since it is on the internet it doesn't matter and is therefore unworthy of your attention or even a response.

That being said I applaud the OP. Those are good rules and I try to play by them, although sometimes I lack the patience to do so. If even a handful of people read this and go out and try to be nicer then it will go a long way towards inspiring other people to be nicer and that eventually leads to improvement community wide.

TheRaven · Feb 05, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Well, I for one am surprised that anyone still attempts to post nice thoughts on these forums anymore. Look at all the grief given to the OP in this one thread alone.

I like the rules and try act civilly towards all players in the game up to a point. I do however disagree with Rule #1. There are a lot of scammers and jerks in Guild Wars. (In any game, in fact) I'm always nice to fellow players unless I see that they fit into the "scammer","cheater" or "jerk" category. Some folks are just there to try and ruin the game for others. These folks don't deserve my respect or civility and they won't get any.

One thing that I see way too much of however is flaming folks with poor playing skills. Ok, so maybe you really don't want that Wammo that's aggro'ing all the little red dots on the screen while spamming Healing Breeze on your team. Instead of cussing him out, how about politely telling him why his playing style sucks and give him an opportunity to learn. If he continues to ignore you then you can politely tell him to find another team or practice some more with henchies. After all, that wammo may just be a little kid who is still learning the game.

I think you alway need to take into account where you are in the game. There are too many generalizations in the forums like "any monk spamming Flare thru the mission is a crappy player!!" Well, if that monk is in Thunderhead Keep then I agree, but if the monk is in the Fort Ranik mission then they probably can solo the mission just fine spamming flare and healing breeze. If you are in a high level area then you should expect a certain level of play from your team and feel free be picky with your teammates. If instead you are trying to complete some Yaks Bend area quests or missions then expect some newbies with sub-par builds on your team. You can also expect those sub-par builds to be adequate to finish most quests. You can suggest better skills but don't have a fit if your teammate isn't familiar with your acronyms or skills.